It's kind of a love hate relationship I have with Adobe. They have the monopoly on the design world so I use their software daily, and for the most part it works, but there are some things that drive me batty. Each time there is a new version released I hold on to the faint hope that maybe this time they removed some of those glaring annoyances or put in the really obvious features that have been needed for years. Occasionally my disappointment is softened by some minor improvements, sometimes it's not.
This past week I decided to take the new Adobe cs4 master collection for a spin to see if it was worth the upgrade. I currently use the cs3 suite for my design work and I had heard some promising reviews for Illustrator, Fireworks and Dreamweaver in cs4. The following is my review based on that evaluation.
Again, a bloated, two hour install (or something close to that). I have to say the Adobe suite is the most dreaded of installations of any software package that I have ever encountered. To make things more interesting, for the windows version they require that you upgrade to service pack 3. Why? I'm sure they have a snappy answer, but whatever it is I'm not buying it. I have never found any other software that demands a service pack 3 upgrade in order to install. What if you don't want to "upgrade" to service pack 3? Well, tough cookies, no cs4 for you (unless you are smart enough to have weaned yourself from Microsoft's evil tit).
Now on to the individual software evaluations...
The first program I opened up in cs4 was Illustrator. Not because I love illustrator, but rather because the previous versions have driven me so crazy that I virtually never use it unless I have to. The main improvements that attracted me to the cs4 upgrade were the changes to the gradients and the eyedropper. Gradients in previous versions of Illustrator were pretty primitive in comparison to Photoshop or Fireworks gradients and I have to admit that they made massive progress in the cs4 version. The new Illustrator has full control of the gradient directly accessible just by hovering over the vector object and the controls are much more advanced. In fact I would say that they created the best gradient tool on the market if it weren't for one HUGE issue. They still don't give you access to the eyedropper tool from within the color picker of gradients or any other color picking region except in the swatch palette! This means that to this day, in the year 2009 they still make you create a swatch for every color you want to use. So frustrating... and it's not like they don't know that this is an issue. I have sent them multiple emails about it. Every other graphics software that I know of lets you pick colors with an eyedropper no matter what the context. Illustrator is supposed to be the most advanced vector tool on the market, but it is still using a 1980s style approach in so many ways (ok well maybe 1990s is more fair). The eyedropper issue is a show stopper for me; until they make the eyedropper accessible from all color dialogues I have no interest in upgrading.
Adobe claimed Photoshop cs4 is faster than previous versions. I haven't timed the startup, but all it took was opening up one large image to write Photoshop cs4 off as a dud. Moving a large file in cs4 causes all sorts of aberrations to occur. Huge blocks of pixels disappear, reappear in chunks in the wrong places... it’s a mess. How on earth did this get past quality control? It took me 3 minutes to see there was a problem. My father who is a photographer also tried out Photoshop cs4 and reported the same issue. He's not planning to upgrade and neither am I. On one positive note they did add in tabbed browsing for when you have multiple images open. This was a needed feature, but not worth the money they are charging for the upgrade.
I use komodo 5 for programming, but komodo doesn't have the same CSS tools as Dreamweaver so unfortunately I have to keep both programs open on most days. My main issues with Dreamweaver cs3 has been the lack of code correction for popular programming languages such as PHP, the fact that it is really designed for flat html sites (which are soooo last decade), and a few little annoying quirks that I run into occasionally. None of what was added to the cs4 version is even remotely useful to me as a Drupal developer and I find that its new layout just slows me down. I wasn't sorely disappointed because I didn't have very high expectations, but I will not be upgrading.
Fireworks is one of the few elements of the Adobe set that I really fully embrace. The cs4 version seems to have a few minor usability improvements such as easily accessible buttons for flipping objects horizontally or vertically, moving objects to the front or the back, grouping, and alignment etc... There is also the added ability to export pdfs, which is nice. Apparently Adobe did some work on fixing memory leaks in this version, however for something so essential it is hard to justify them not making this a bug fix for all previous versions.
The only downside I found to the cs4 Fireworks is the lack of compatibility between the files from the cs3 suite. I'm not talking about the whole file not working, but I have found that if I create text in cs3 occasionally it won't let me convert that text to a path even after upgrading the text from the "legacy" version. This is a minor bump in the road, and I'm sure future updates will have this fixed.
I am on the fence about the new flash release. There are some aspects that look promising, but I need to test more before reporting. I am a minimalist when it comes to flash anyway, so I doubt I really need it. We'll see...
Save your money. I wouldn't "upgrade" to cs4 even if it was free (and actually it can be if you know how to download torrents). This is the most expensive upgrade that Adobe has posted thus far, and the product they are delivering still isn't cleaned up enough to justify even a normal upgrade fee. I recommend sticking to cs3 (or whatever version you are using). I don't really have my fingers crossed on a proper cs5 suite, but maybe, just maybe, if enough people refuse to upgrade they might put together a better release.
Ha! I agree
I test drove the "upgrade" also, and felt that it left a lot to be desired... I will not be keeping it on my machine. The few things that it has upgraded don't make what I do any easier, so it I definitely won't be purchasing or even torrenting it...
Thank you for your review!
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I was so excited to get the CS4 ISO, but when I heard it required SP3 it got shift-deleted. Forget the recycle bin, this one got sent straight to the depths. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Wow, I have to say that I
Wow, I have to say that I think this review is not fair, and is lacking any real and valid points. Your tone is so negative that it come across as complaint more than it does a review. A negative review is good, but it needs to be backed up! How can you be on the fence about the new flash version: It is ground breaking!! Hardware accelerated video layers, the ability to stream video that is in the same format as Blu-Ray... The Velum project provided text control that should appeal to you in particular as a designer. and the capability to generate audio programmaticly? The VM2 is fast, AS3 has matured drasticly... all self contained in a player that is 1.8MB! Your on the fence because you need to look at the details.. Look at what people are building with these tools..? Papervision?... Flex?... check it out!
What is wrong with SP3? If you don't like it, download a Linux disro, RTFM, then stop complaining. If you cant deal with that then get a Mac. If you are still not happy.. then go back to windows and take a deep breath, because all software is going to contain bugs of some nature and of some depth. If you don't understand why this is the case then I would recommend taking a intro to programming class. Its much more complicated than just love hate. Software parts NEED to require other software parts because they share functionality. The parts that make up the whole rely on each other to operate in a certain way, or else... you get block rendering... or far worse behavior.
I don't work for adobe, but I have been close enough to see the blood and sweat that goes into their development process, and I can promise you that they don't take their career's as lightly as you do your reviews.
CS4 is a suite of products uses a lot of the code globally throughout. From may angles this is very advantageous for the suite, but presents a even bigger challenge to the teams in each product line. Coordinating releases, not only in each product, but across the entire suite of tools is not a small feat. Not to mention the work that has been done in 64-bit very new and cutting edge stuff... there is a lot of R&D that has been successfully transformed into what you review as the CS4 suite.
In your review you provided no basis testing, so I don't know about the hardware you are using. Are you even using 64-bit? ... but most of the products allow rendering to be offloaded to a graphics card that are of the proper type, and running a driver that includes the proper functionality. I'm not certain, but it could be a requirement of this part that is calling for some functionality in Windows SP3.
The problems that you experienced with Photoshop are a result of either an old driver, or a video card that is not supported with CS4.
I would further recommend that you get in more involved, and report bugs, and make feature requests so that all users can benefit from your ideas... not breed nagativity from your your unwarrented complaints. Adobe allows you to do this, which is a new direction that they have taken in the last few years... you get out and you find that dog!
I agree big time
The upgrade price is ridiculous for basically no upgrades. In fact I don't think Photoshop, Indesign, or Illustrator have made any great strides since CS2. The web package made respectable strides with CS3 but after testing out the CS4 trial, I see no reason at all to make an upgrade especially with this crappy economy.
I really wish Macromedia had remained as an individual company. That way Adobe would have been able to focus on making some true respectable upgrades to their original products (Photoshop, Ill, InDesign). I am really against the idea of people stealing or downloading pirated software, but the way Adobe has carried themselves I can see why. (There is no excuse not to support your products that aren't that old, and hire people who have a command of the English language)
Like Mr. Hawkins said, if you're using CS2 or CS3 then don't waste your money on a $500 -$600 CS4 upgrade.
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